The Other Side of Pain (with Jon Swanson)

What do you do when you’re on the other side of pain?

Jon Swanson is a pastor, chaplain, writer, and holds a PhD. He’s been helping me and Lisa for years, and his books and blog have helped our lives tremendously.

I’m so excited to be bringing you this conversation that Jon and I had, because I think it will really help you when you’re trying to help someone else who’s hurting.

We’re going deep on the other side of pain, and we’re going to start today.


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